Tuesday, April 2, 2013

Yes, It's A Choice!

Last week, the Supreme Court began hearings on the same sex marriage arguments, and FB began 'lighting up red' in posts, profile pics changing, etc.  I only saw maybe 3 posts to the contrary.  So on Thursday, I decided it was time to voice my own opinion.

I found a quiet post, rebuttaling the arguments and shared it.  A friend had posted it several minutes (maybe even an hour) before with a few 'likes' and no comments.  But a minute after I shared it, one of my more liberal HS friends commented:


  • Trisha Fogleman Wait- are you against marriage equality?
  • Molly Daniels I'm not against civil unions; I'm all for gay couples having the same legal rights (adoption, spousal-health-issue rights, etc), but have trouble with the biblical/moral aspect. In fact, funnily enough, I show both sides in my next book, arriving in April. I respect my friends who are for the issue; I ask for equal respect for my views. I don't want to lose friends over this issue; but on my 'feed', the 'pro' side greatly outnumbers the 'con' side. Just wanted to equal things up a little. We all have a right to our opinions w/o it turning into a 'me-vs-you' debate.
  • Trisha Fogleman What does the bible have anything to do with governmental decisions? Church and state should be separate. 

    Civil unions are not the same as marriage and separate but equal has not ever stood in this country. 

    I don't understand how you could take this position. It's not that I don't respect your position, but rather I'm completely dumbfounded by it.
  • Molly Daniels LOL....I see both sides of the issue, and am just trying to keep the peace. This is one hot-button topic I really don't care to get involved in a heated debate. I have gay friends, gay married friends, and people who are in favor of DOMA. I don't agree with the fact gay spouses aren't awarded the same rights as hetero spouses when it comes to certain legal issues. And unfortunately, I'm married to a stubborn bigot who is appalled by the whole issue. So I keep quiet.
  • Catherine Vogel Gadberry Molly, I feel exactly the same on the issue. Civil unions/domestic partnerships with equal rights to married couples.
  • Molly Daniels Exactly:) LOL....Thanks Cath....I'm now watching to see if I lose any friends....don't think YOU got any comments! Was just hoping to slip this into my feed and go about my merry, non-confrontational way.....
  • Trisha Fogleman That isn't equality. If you think there should be civil unions, then there should be civil unions for all- the government can get out of the marriage business altogether. Then marriage can be a religious ceremony in the church.
  • Catherine Vogel Gadberry Trisha, sounds good 
  • Trisha Fogleman Posting this was confrontational, IMHO. Why be passive aggressive about it?
  • Molly Daniels You're right; government SHOULD stay out of it. And that's me, miss p/a, ha ha:)
  • Molly Daniels Guess I have more 'pro' friends than Catherine, lol....
  • Trisha Fogleman Yep government should stay out of the churches, and churches should stay out of government. No more tax breaks, nada. It's a two way street.
  • Molly Daniels I already know I'm going to take some flack from the GLBT community when that book comes out....I had to cut most of the sex scenes. Unless editor wants them back in...then I'll have to have them ghost-written.
  • Molly Daniels So are we good, Trish?
  • Catherine Vogel Gadberry Molly, a lot of my friends and half my family are for marriage equality. We just don't stir each other up on Facebook.
  • Molly Daniels I noticed:)
  • Trisha Fogleman You wrote a romance book about gays?
  • Molly Daniels Yes. Did you see the cover for Searching For Love? It's more of a 'Bi-curious' story. Woman caught between another woman and her casual male lover. One of my roommate's story, fictionalized. And my cover artist created a wonderful cover which resembles the Queen in a deck of cards. Really tasteful and elegant.
  • Molly Daniels Caught a lot of flack from the parents while writing it; wanted to incorporate both sides of the argument and make sure I had the facts straight. Still learning, lol:)
  • Molly Daniels Here's the blurb, Trish. 
    Stephanie Ridgeman is sick of men. She's tired of watching her best friends go through heartache and question their goals, all in the name of love. When she meets a young woman who introduces her to another lifestyle, Steph’s curiosity overwhelms her. She discovers there are different ways of expressing love, although society shuns her new views. When she learns her parents disapprove, will it affect her choice? 
    Jodie Armstrong lost a partner to AIDS the previous year, and is intrigued by the young woman whose friends’ antics rival those of a soap opera. She patiently answers Steph’s hesitant questions concerning her lifestyle choices and encourages Stephanie to follow her heart. Will Steph ever figure out which world she belongs in, and will her friends accept her decisions?
  • Trisha Fogleman I can't even.
  • Molly Daniels Can't even...???
  • Trisha Fogleman I can't even go there. So upset right now.
  • Molly Daniels Friends can agree to disagree sweetie. I'm at a loss for why it's okay for everyone else to express their opinion but I can't. I'm not slamming anyone for their lifestyle choices. Maybe when everyone's emotions calm down. ((((((((HUGS))))))))
  • Trisha Fogleman I'm not upset about your opinion I'm upset about that blurb. Appalled doesn't begin to describe what I'm feeling right now.
  • Molly Daniels Which part? Jodie or Steph?
  • Molly Daniels Or the 'world' part?
  • Trisha Fogleman Is the blurb online anywhere?
  • Karen McClive All the points in this article seem very silly to me. My marriage is not defined by someone else. And there are other dumb statements in that article.. such as this one: o use an analogy, men and women have equal rights, but because they significantly differ they require separate restrooms. Equality means treating similar things similarly, but not things that are fundamentally different. NOOOOO Men and women DO NOT NEED separate bathrooms. Do we have separate bathrooms in our home? No.. Family Restrooms are popping up all over the place that either men or women can go into. The restroom thing is done for convenience and nothing more. Sorry but I don't buy it. Marriage should be for whoever wants it.. it's a human made institution that has changed over time and will continue to change.
  • Molly Daniels Trish: My website, my author page, and under the picture on FB. It won't be anywhere else until the book is edited and released, most likely this month or early next.

  • Trisha Fogleman So when you release your version of the LGBT story, are you going to have transparency to say that you think gays are less than straights and undeserving of all the rights enjoyed by straight people?


    I then sent T a private message:
    I didn't want to answer on the thread, since I knew a 'spoiler alert'  would be in my reply.
    To answer your question: I express both views on the issue in a fictional manner. And at the end of the book, the women are together, and each wear wedding bands. And in the epilogue, I have Stephanie bemoaning the fact her wife didn't leave a will; they had an appointment to do that the following week before Jodie falls ill and dies. Fortunately, though, Jodie's parents accept Steph into their daughter's life and give her full access as a spouse. And Steph says to her friends not to delay in drawing up their wills, in case they're not as lucky as she.
    The timeline of this book is from 1988 (when Billie Jo came out to myself and another friend) through late 1990's or even 2000; I can't remember exactly. It reflects the views back then, but is also timeless, since we're still arguing it now in the Supreme Court, and states are legalizing it. I just happened to write this in 2003, and publisher picked it up last fall. I just have a feeling I'll take flack for not having more sex scenes in it. But my best friend is bi, so she's offered to help me out if necessary.

  • 2:32pm
    Trisha Fogleman

    I guess what I have a problem with initially is the implication just that she's sick of men so that she turns to women.
    I would say to you with all certainty that this is rare- and not the norm. I personally know of not one person who this is true of.
    I have talked to literally hundreds if not thousands of gays over the past 30 years. Because I'm curious- I WANT to know their story. I wish I had kept track of their stories- now that would be a book! But 99% of the stories are the same- the feelings of not fitting in, not feeling normal and knowing at a young age. Stories of anguish and pain, stories of trying to assimilate despite their orientation. Not once did I hear they just decided to be gay because they were sick of the opposite sex. I do think it is more common for women to be bi than men, and to experiment in college. Being gay is not a choice, the struggle for acceptance is hard enough without more people adding to this myth. And for what- money? I don't like hurting anyone's feelings or questioning art- but since you brought it to email I will tell you exactly why I struggle with your book. It makes me physically ill that you, a straight woman who believes that gay people are not equal in the eyes of the law, would write an LGBT love story- no matter how well-intentioned it is, and how you think you are being. You are telling both sides- as you see it. As I see it, you are completely off base and it sickens me. How dare you?

    RE:  Okay, I see your point. Maybe what I should have said was, she's sick of seeing men mistreating her friends, all in the name of love. Steph bounces from relationship to relationship, never 'falling in love'. She's probably the one who coined the 'Friends with Benefits' before it became known, lol. Then she's curious about the gay/lesbian lifestyle, and THEN falls in love. And I wrote it because I felt her story needed to be told. I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess no PsychoKitty sticker for me then? Don't answer that; I'll wait until tempers die down.

    T:  Of course I'm happy to send you some stickers. I just feel that you're using the community that I love and fight for. That's all. I know you're a good person with good intentions but I think you are way off base. There are so many stories to tell- why feed the bigotry by making it seem like a choice. It's not.

    RE:  Okay:) I'll put some of them on my table this summer when I'm signing. And I think the 'choice vs 'born this way' argument is in there also. If not, I'll write it in. Actually, I think Jodie states she felt that way until she stopped hiding it in high school.

    Had a thought: would you be interested in reading the rough draft, and letting me know what I should change?
    T:  You know what, Molly? I think that is very open-minded and generous of you! Yes I will be glad to read it and give my thoughts! I'm sure there will be much about it I will love!


    • I was in tears after the first part of this exchange, and realized I'd forgotten to put on my 'armor'.  I'd not had a shower yet, and therefore had not had my Quiet Time.  I felt better after doing this, although I still felt a little bruised.

    And the next morning, my friend J jumped into the discussion, but I chose to ignore her comments.



  • Jacqueline Dean Roth · 11 mutual friends
    I was stunned you reposted that bigotted mess, and concerned that with that attitude you are publishing a GLBT story. I just can't imagine that the story will be an honest portrayal. You have stepped into a topic that is a mine field and if it isn't handled well could backlash hard against you as the author. The straight girl who is curious and can't decide what world she belongs in? That is a dishonest cliche at best. There are not two worlds. We all live in the same world.
    March 29 at 12:06am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Jacquwenteline Dean Roth · 11 mutual friends
    And you do realize that the risk of lesbians contracting HIV is lower than any other subgroup except the celebate? In the rare cases it's happened it's been because of involvement with a bi partner.
    March 29 at 12:18am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Trisha Fogleman I expressed much the same concerns and more with Molly. I do feel she has good intentions but it is troubling. 

    I agree about the AIDS issue too. I live in SF which was ground zero of the epidemic, and the lesbian angle with it just does not ring true. Give her cancer instead.
  • Lori Oglesby Johnson You know I had to come looking... lol..... I don't see how anyone could read those "reasons" and think they are valid. As I read, I found myself wondering if they were written tongue-in-cheek. Marriage between elderly people is so rare that it's not wo...See More
  • Molly Daniels For the record, I don't agree with #6.
  • Lori Oglesby Johnson For the record, the post I just made about Christians has nothing to do with you or this thread... it's about something that happened last night. Just wanted to you know know that...
  • Molly Daniels I haven't even seen it yet; I'll go look:)


    I  went over to L's thread and we had a very civil, non-threatening conversation.  I then closed the laptop and got ready to attend the Outdoor Way of the Cross, even carrying it twice.

    And I especially needed to be reminded at the beginning.  Fr. Dave reminded us we need to stand up for our beliefs and not waver.  I felt better after hearing that, and it strengthened me.


    So what's the big deal?  Why am I posting this?  Because contrary to what T and others believe, it is a choice!  God gave us Free Will, and the freedom to choose Him or reject Him.  If being gay isn't a choice, but rather 'the way I was born', then society would fall apart.  People would  run rampant; we would all be acting like two-year olds demanding instant gratification and giving in to our base desires.

    No, it is choice.  Even if a person believes they were born the wrong gender, or discovers they aren't attracted to the opposite sex, there is still a choice to be made:  Decision for sex change.  Decision to stop pursuing the opposite sex, or to stop trying to 'conform'.  The decision to go against everything you've been taught, if you were raised in a biblical home.

    I'm not saying if you feel this way it's wrong.  But you don't have to give in.  Live your life quietly.  Go ahead and have a long relationship with that partner who makes you happy.  But don't call it 'marriage'.  I'm all for civil unions/domestic partnerships.  I cannot throw stones at you, since I engaged in premarital sex and cohabitated before marrying my spouse.

    But if you're one of the ones who can't come out of the closet, then live a quiet life, a non-sexual life.  Two friends of mine have taken this route.  They haven't admitted it (that I know of, anyway!),  but do nearly everything together, but not The Act.  They maintain separate homes.

    And that's their choice.  At least one of them is aware it wouldn't be acceptable in her family, so she chooses not to give in.



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Tuesday, December 11, 2012

WOW!


The strangest and mind-blowing conversation took place today.  My HS boyfriend found me on face book a few months back, and we've been chatting occasionally.  I finally got the courage to ask him a question which has been on my mind for nearly 30 years.

K:
I would change a lot of things I did. Mostly how I fucked things up with you

Me Re:
It was a learning experience. I still can't believe I agreed to go out with you KNOWING you were seeing three other people. Live and learn.
It may have just been one or two....
And we were teenagers. Teenagers NEVER get it right, except the ones who have their heads on straight. And I certainly didn't at 16 or 19. THOUGHT I did, but c'est la vie:)

Re:
You didn't deserve to be treated that way. After all my other relationships you were the one I really cared about.
Comes a time we must move on. Merry christmas

Re:
You ARE indirectly mentioned in two of my upcoming books;)
Class Reunion: Brian used to constantly ask me why I was dating you, and I kept defending you (but never slept with B; this is fictional):

“Ahh, but not to a bar where there might be other men who might want to talk to me,” she replied. “I’m not a casual dater, Brian. If I’m with a guy, I don’t even look at other men.”
“I remember. I used to tease you about that guy you dated our junior year….I think I called him ‘No-Neck’ or something. You defended your choice, even though he couldn’t argue his way out of a paper bag without insulting people.”

Natalie giggled. “Holy shit, I’d forgotten that. He and I would go for ice cream after school and he’d brag about his wrestling accomplishments. But try to get him to talk about current events, forget it. He didn’t care unless it was about sports. I wised up after a few weeks.” She yawned against his neck

Endless Love: Geez, didn't realize I had two 'Brians' with your reference in them, or they'd be releasing so close together! CR was written in 2009; EL in 2000:

After the meal was over, Bryan drove to a special spot by the high school. “Remember this spot?” he asked.

“Yes...Over there is where you first asked me to go with you,” Caty smiled, remembering the moment. “We sat on the swings, and all of a sudden you blurted out that you didn’t want me seeing that trumpet player...what was his name? Kevin something...anyway, you said you didn’t want me dating anyone but you, and then you said, ‘Cait, will you be my girlfriend?’, and I said yes.”

“Wow, you remember all that?” Bryan shook his head, amazed. “I just remember the look in your eyes when you slid my class ring on your finger.”

CR was inspired by the two reunions I went to 2009 (Jeff's and McCutcheon's, and when people found out I was published, plus add a lot of alcohol and soon I was hearing stories and 'ideas for (my) next book!'
EL is based on my best friend; I combined two of her boyfriend experiences into one. And Bryan was the name she chose.

One thing which has always bugged me: What was it that either you told your mom about me, or did she read one of my letters to you, that caused her to call my pastor and tell him I was mentally unstable? Not mad or anything-I'm waaaaay over it-but it royally pissed me off. This would have been May 1985; I thought we were going strong (and you may have been also dating other people at the time), but all of a sudden my dad got a phone call, then told me what my pastor told him, and that was the last time I heard from you until you tried to call me in Sept 1993. Dad gave me your phone #, but Kyle was 18 months old and I was married and wanted nothing more to do with you at the time.
That hurt me more than anything.

Re:
My mom found one of your letters and called your pastor behind my back when I was at work. She fucked up my life as well. I really cared for you and never got to say sorry. She such my marriage as well
She was a control freak. I wanted us to be together. But mom screwed it up. I never wanted to hurt you. I loved you. Never got over you.

Re:
Wow....

Re:
Never wanted to hurt your parents either . They are wonderful people.
Didn't want to upset you. Hope I didn't.
Happy holidays. Hope to keep in touch. When is next class get together.

Re:
LOL....as soon as I questioned you about it, I wondered if it was a case of parental interference! In my 1st Kenzie book, All She Ever Wanted (written in 2008), I had an interfering FATHER telling both his son and his g/f a pack of lies to keep them apart, and thought about something like this between you and me ala 'wouldn't it be ironic if....' And then to find out I was RIGHT after all these years....wow. Blows me away. I've always had my ex-boyfriends had them tell me their mothers SLAPPED them for letting me get away. And to have yours, my 1st b/f (my junior high one really doesn't count here...).....wow. Incredible. I thought I loved you at the time also. Kind of explains my downward spiral the fall of '85, but not blaming you. That was entirely due to my own poor choices in men. Then found my soul mate in '86, but a series of misunderstandings caused us to be apart for years. We're good friends now, and joke that when our spouses pass away or we're both free at the same time (he divorced in '08, but remarried a year later. I yelled at him for months about that, lol!), we'll be the two octogenarians finally being together, rofl!
I wondered who Audra's mother was; if you were married to her and why you had custody.
Your mom's act caused me a great deal of pain, but if you had no knowledge of it, it's not your fault. When did you find out? Is that what the phone call in '93 was about? At the time, I was trying to be a good wife and mommy. We'd moved into a 2 brm apt and were talking about having another child, which we did July '94.
I think the next one is in '14, providing the world doesn't end in 10 days, lol:)

Re:
I was married to Audra's mom.and that is why I tried to call in 93. While my wife were separated waiting 4 a divorce, my wife new live in boyfriend beat my youngest daughter to death, Audra's sister. That is why I got custody
My youngest name is Ariel
Better get busy. Chores to do. Yeah Rah

Re:
OMFG....I'm soooo sorry to hear that. Hope that slimeball is locked up for life. I've never understood the whole 'but I LOOOOVE' him thing, choosing the man over their kids.

Re:
Yup; been doing mine between answers:) Have a good day and hope to see you at the next reunion, or the next time I'm in town alone. Hubby is rather anti-social with my HS friends, and refuses to go to any more reunions. He went with me to the 10th, 3 weeks after Sara was born, and was a little put out that all Brian and Mike could talk about was the fact I now had cleavage. I found it humorous; he was bored and thankful I needed to leave around 11pm to go home and feed the daughter. My boobs were HUGE by that time, lol!

Re:
He is in prison. After that I had a hard time dating. Always careful about who I brought around Audra. No one was good enough.

Re:
BTW.....did you watch my TV interview???
Good for you.

Re:
Yes. You look great. Have a good day. Glad we could chat

Re:
Have a good day yourself:) And thank you.

Today (12-12-12), I started to think again.  What was HE told?
Me:

Question: If you were unaware of your mother's actions, what was she telling you, that prevented you from contacting me that summer? Or were there phone calls made that I'm unaware of?

That summer, I was working in Mom's office every morning while my sister had swim practice. I was at Jeff every day until my grandfather passed away July 16th, not counting the 4th of July weekend we went to Gatlinburg. And after his funeral up here, my mom, sis, and I accompanied Grandma back to Florida for a few weeks. Just remembered that. But my afternoons were free, and didn't date anyone. I was too angry/upset with you, and swore off men until I returned to college in late Aug. Not proud of my actions Aug-October, but it was a learning experience I guess. Not trying to guilt trip you; just laying out the facts, from my POV anyway.

K 
Re:
I was told that your parents didn't want me to call you. I tried once that summer. But tour dad answered the phone and I chickened out. That is where I screwed up. I'am at Walmart now. Be here latter. Sorry to bring up bad memories.

Re:
It's okay:) I needed a good cry:)
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Sunday, December 9, 2012

Bah Humbug

I've had Christmases in the past where I had a hard time a) being excited about the season, b) getting motivated to decorate; and c) being cheerful.  But so far, this has been the worst two weeks of December in history.

I still don't have the tree up or even the decorations out of the basement.

I baked cookies all week, and thankfully set the ones aside for the teachers, because the M&M and chocolate chip ones are all gone.  Tried to make more yesterday, and they disappeared as fast as they came out of the oven.  Out of 6 doxen (okay, probably closer to 5), there are exactly 3 dozen plus two.

I'd planned to have a large stash set aside, but didn't bake any on Thursday, due to Christmas shopping and the fact I kept getting interrupted.  Then on Friday, B 'kidnapped' me and we ate a late lunch at Applebee's, then went to the Washington GW Fashions and on to Evansville, first the GW Fashions and Barnes and Noble.  Ate dinner at Sonic, then got back in time to divvy up the goods and go to karaoke.  Left around 2pm and was home by 1am.  So obviously no baking there.  I even had to come home and do a load of laundry, since W's game was at 9am yesterday.

And today we're supposed to go to a family get together, and all I want to do is cry.

And I don't know why.
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Monday, December 3, 2012

Getting Excited.....

Saw a post on the digest that 'non-promoting authors will be terminated this winter'.  Oh I hope I finally get my letter!  Then to respectfully request my rights back, clean up the book again, and send it to SCP!!!  And hope that a) S remembers this story; b) D can make a cover as beautiful as the existing one; and c) my affiliation with that publisher will be forever severed:)

But then what will you have to rant about?

Oh believe me; with the daughter's b/f, there will be plenty!  Trust me.  Also I'm not happy with the outcome of our Presidential election; just been too busy to rant about it.
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Thursday, October 11, 2012

Another Issue I Can't Stay Quiet About....

A FB friend and former classmate posted a pic of the President making a half-hearted salute while talking on the phone as he exits AF1.  He calls this 'disrespectful', and I happen to agree with him.

But another classmate dug up the following info:

"This gesture is of course quite wrong: such a salute has always required the wearing of a uniform." The President is a civilian and as such, his saluting of military personnel is not required, mandated, or expected. (read Marine General Barrow's comment below). The fact that Obama does so at all is a chosen sign of respect and if he doesn't stop and go into a full salute, there is no implication of disrespect at all. There are much better things to get worked up about than this assumed insult that isn't one at all. Should U.S. presidents return military salutes or not?
Longstanding tradition requires members of the military to salute the president. The practice of presidents returning that salute is more recent — Ronald Reagan started it in 1981.

Reagan’s decision raised eyebrows at the time. Dwight Eisenhower, a former five-star general, did not return military salutes while president. Nor had other presidents.

John Kline, then Reagan’s military aide and now a Minnesota congressman, advised him that it went against military protocol for presidents to return salutes.

Kline said in a 2004 op-ed piece in The Hill that Reagan ultimately took up the issue with Gen. Robert Barrow, then commandant of the Marine Corps.

Barrow told Reagan that as commander in chief of the armed forces, he was entitled to offer a salute — or any sign of respect he wished — to anyone he wished, Kline wrote, adding he was glad for the change.

Every president since Reagan has followed that practice, even those with no military experience. President Bill Clinton’s saluting skills were roundly criticized after he took office, but the consensus was he eventually got better.

The debate over saluting has persisted, with some arguing against it for protocol reasons, others saying it represents an increasing militarization of the civilian presidency.

“The gesture is of course quite wrong: Such a salute has always required the wearing of a uniform,” author and historian John Lukacs wrote in The New York Times in 2003.
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“But there is more to this than a decline in military manners,” he added. “There is something puerile in the Reagan (and now Bush) salute. It is the joyful gesture of someone who likes playing soldier. It also represents an exaggeration of the president’s military role.”

Garry Wills, the author and Northwestern University professor, echoed those remarks in the Times in 2007.

“The glorification of the president as a war leader is registered in numerous and substantial executive aggrandizements; but it is symbolized in other ways that, while small in themselves, dispose the citizenry to accept those aggrandizements,” he wrote.

“We are reminded, for instance, of the expanded commander in chief status every time a modern president gets off the White House helicopter and returns the salute of Marines.”

 So what I THINK my friend is saying is, if you're talking on a cell phone, don't salute at all? Or take the call while still on AF1.

 I'll fix the font later; I need to shower.
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Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Marriage Views

I'm probably going to piss off a lot of people; therefore I'm glad I don't advertise this blog!  I found the following on Face Book the other day:

I had a conversation today in which I expressed my delight that our president, OUR PRESIDENT, finally came out in support of gay marriage. “This is huge,” I said, sincerely. 
The woman with whom I spoke simply looked at me, genuinely surprised by my excitement. “Really?” she asked. 
“Yes! Of course,” was my response. Then with all seriousness she looked me in the eyes and said, “It’s just a piece of paper.” 


It’s just a piece of paper? It’s JUST a piece of paper? Are you freaking kidding me? 
It’s a just piece of paper that SHE is legally permitted to obtain and throw away at her leisure- and has done so TWICE. 
It’s just a piece of paper that elevates those in the LGBT community- our fathers and our mothers, our brothers and our sisters, our daughters and our sons- out of the realm of second-class citizen and onto equal footing with their peers. 
It’s just a piece of paper that grants all the legal rights & privileges that most heterosexual couples take for granted.
It‘s just a piece of paper that evokes a sense of acceptance and normalcy.
It’s just a piece of paper that declares to the world that an American ideal has finally been upheld, that our civil rights are indeed inalienable (as our forefathers contended) and therefore must be granted EQUALLY to every American citizen! 


It's not JUST a piece of paper. It's THE piece of paper!


Ohhhhh boooooyyyyyy.......

First of all, I'm a firm believer in Marriage= One Man, One Woman.

I fully think Obama's 'switch' is politically motivated, NOT his own views.

I have nothing against the gay/lesbian community; I think if they choose to live in committed relationships, awesome!  Get a civil union and draw up a will.  And by all means, have a child/adopt a child.

Now, let's tackle the 'piece of paper' comment.

Yes, there are people who view 'marriage' as such.  I find these people despicable.  Marriage takes MORE than a piece of paper.  It requires commitment; love; respect; and the willingness to work through issues together.  If all efforts to resolve differences fail, despite counseling, or if abuse is evident, then by all means dissolve the marriage and move on.  You may have married the wrong person or for the wrong reasons.

And yes, there are those who don't 'get' this.

GLBT community on 'equal footing'?  Are you kidding me?

I personally don't care if you're gay.  As far as I'm concerned, we're all on equal ground here.  Just because I happen to disagree with your definition of marriage doesn't change anything.  Yes, there are 'married' same-sex couples with a better track record than heterosexual 'marrieds'.  It all comes down to commitment to each other and IF it is based on biblical principles.

"Marriage':  One man, one woman standing before God and publicly professing their love, commitment, and vowing to spend the rest of their lives together.

'Civil Union':  Two people, hetero or same-sex, professing their love and commitment to each other.  This is NOT sanctioned by biblical principles, and has become more acceptable in the last twenty years or so.

If you choose to believe in God, yet stay in same-sex relationship, it's a matter of personal choice.  I'm not condoning it; you're the one who will ultimately stand before God and be judged accordingly.

If you subscribe to any other religion, the same applies.  I'm not going to force my beliefs down your throat, and expect you not to do likewise.  Everyone's entitled to their opinion; this happens to be mine.

And yes, I address this issue in book #6 of Arbor U:)


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